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County Leash Laws Challenged at Local Beaches

There's nothing like a quiet walk on the beach to settle nerves jangled by the daily commute, office politics, disturbing news of far-off political intrigue. The rhythmic swoosh of the waves, the cries of seagulls, the gentle ocean breezes. 

But wait. What's that smell? Eeeeeew!

All too often, idyllic walks along our local beaches are disrupted by loud barking, the threatening rush of bright teeth and furry bodies, the unexpected presence of smelly dog droppings underfoot. Our beaches have become playgrounds and toilets for unleashed dogs, turning a treasure for all into an exclusive domain for the few.

Santa Cruz County Animal Services has recently started enforcing county leash laws, much to the consternation of local residents who have grown used to letting their dogs run free on local beaches, in the absence of county enforcement. This has resulted in a lobbying campaign by dog owners to encourage Santa Cruz County Board of Supervisors to provide off-leash hours at the Live Oak beach between 20th Avenue and Moran Lagoon. Proponents claim that their animals need freedom to run unfettered and that limited off-leash hours would not infringe on others' enjoyment of the beach.

Santa Cruz County has strict leash laws, Section 6.12 of County Code, directing residents to keep all dogs on leash on public property and facilities at all times, and prohibiting animal defecation on any public property or improved private property, other than that of the owner. These laws would have to be amended in order to allow off-leash hours at local beaches. 

But county leash laws are not the only consideration.

Dogs running free not only pose a threat to people but also drive off shorebirds and other wildlife on local beaches, which are governed by the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary (MBNMS). Harassment of "any marine mammal, sea turtle, or bird within or above the Sanctuary" is prohibited by United States Code of Federal Regulations, Title 15, Part 92.132 - Prohibited or otherwise regulated activities. MBNMS works in cooperation with the California Department of Fish and Game and the California Department of Parks and Recreation to assist with enforcement.

At a recent constituent meeting by Supervisor John Leopold, opponents and proponents of off-leash hours at county beaches presented their cases. In response to a suggestion that the county provide off-leash dog parks where dog-owners can let their dogs run free in fenced enclosures, Supervisor Leopold pointed out that a dog park has been built at the new Chanticleer Avenue Park, on the West side of Chanticleer Avenue, about a quarter mile north of Capitola Road in Live Oak. However, the signs at the Chanticleer Park indicate that dogs are required to be on leash at all times in the Pet Exercise Area, as the split rail fence is inadequate to keep off-leash dogs contained within the park.

Rather than flouting existing leash laws and lobbying for special consideration by federal, state and county officials, local dog owners would do well to organize and help the county upgrade the Chanticleer Park facility to allow off-leash dogs, and to build and maintain additional dedicated off-leash facilities on county parks away from sensitive beaches. These areas would provide needed exercise and socialization for dogs and an opportunity for dog owners to gather and socialize, without threatening sensitive species or infringing on others who prefer their recreational opportunities dog-free.

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Jacob Bourne

11:17 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

I have a hard time with dog parks, personally. It appears to me to be people standing around in a square of wood chips while their dogs wander, and they consider that exercise for their dogs. It's not exercise. Its Beach is fine, but there's really no room to take a walk with your dog on the beach there. How about one off-leash dog beach where a long walk is actually possible? That might solve the problem and keep dogs off the rest of the beaches.

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Jean

5:24 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

I have seen dog parks utilized in other cities. There dogs were running around, sometimes one or two at a time, sometimes not. The point is that dogs were allowed to run if they felt like it and they were also able to socialize with other dogs without leashes getting linked together.

As for good exercise, simply taking a brisk walk with one's dog -- say a mile or two -- is excellent exercise. This is what I did with my medium sized dog, who lived healthfully to be almost 18 years.

Beaches cannot be and must not be offered as dog playgrounds, especially at certain hours, when they would essentially and unfairly become single-use beaches. Keeping one's dog on a leash at the beach allows dog owners to use the beach, just like everyone else, without jeopardizing wildlife or humans or other dogs.

Michael A. Lewis

12:03 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

All of our beaches are regulated by County and federal law. Allowing dogs to run free on beaches and harass shorebirds is illegal by federal regulation, so the County cannot allow off-leash hours on County beaches. If we are to have off-leash areas, they should be on County property away from beaches.

Everyone who has a dog acquired their animals under existing leash laws. It is disengenuous to ignore those laws, then cry foul when the County enforces them.

One might consider the appropriateness of keeping an animal that requires free and unfettered running in a place where such activity is illegal.

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Marcia White

9:51 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Maybe you're right, Mr. Lewis. Let's give all those dogs that like to run on the beach one last run and then have them killed right there. That way dogs that require free and unfettered running can at least have a happy ending. The county could charge owners a fee for this service too - to make make up for the lost revenue on dog license renewal. Everyone's happy - except maybe the dog owners, but what were they thinking - having those dirty, bird scaring, frolicking companions anyway? That should be up to people to do..especially surfers and swimmers who get right out there in the water with them.

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Michael A. Lewis

10:08 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

We have decided, as a society, that some activities are inappropriate, and we pass laws to regulate those activities. We have not decided that we should not keep domesticated animals such as dogs, cats, cattle and horses. We have decided, however, that these animals are not to be allowed to roam free throughout our communities, and thus have passed laws to regulate how we conduct ourselves with our pets, for the greater good.

No one has proposed here that humans should not have pets, nor that existing pets should be killed. Each and every citizen is free to decide whether or not to keep pets under existing restrictions.

Those of us who decide not to keep pets have the right to not have other people's pets inflicted on us without our permission and in violation of existing laws. We ALL have freedom of choice.

We seem to be well on a path, through comments on this article and through the Live Oak Neighbors discussion list, toward a means of providing County off-leash dog facilities that do not intrude on those who do not wish to interact with pets, nor with wildlife whose habitat is negatively affected by dogs running loose.

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JoAnn Gibson

12:36 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

I believe our muni code is correct to not allow dogs to run AT LARGE. However, that is different from allowing dogs to be off-leash in certain areas while under voice control with their owners nearby. There are MANY other "societies" that have successful off-leash areas in parks and on beaches. San Francisco, Carmel, and all the other towns that allow dogs to run free on their beaches couldn't possibly break federal regulations, so the argument that dogs running free is illegal under federal regualtion just doesn't fly.
It may be illegal to harass shorebirds and marine mammals, but that would be the case whether 4-legged or 2-legged. Dogs don't necessarily "harass" birds any more than joggers, walkers, surfers or kids, as long as dogs are not allowed to chase the birds.
As for the dog poop issue, this is a problem whether ON or OFF leash. I agree that dog owners need to be more responsible about picking up the poop, but everyone I know does do so religiously and offers bags to those we see not doing so. We also regularly pick up trash along the way. All beachgoers -- dog owners, locals and tourists alike -- need to pack the trash. Should we ban everyone from the beach because there are a few that just won't do the right thing?

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JoAnn Gibson

12:38 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Below are links to a few nearby communities that have successful off-leash dog policies. Some of these cities have very simple off-leash policies; some rather complicated. Some require special off-leash dog licenses, in which the dog must show proof that he is spayed/nuetered, has rabies vaccine, is under voice control, and is social and well-mannered to other dogs and people. Some have restricted hours or alternating days. But all have found a compromise that works for everyone. Why can't we -- liberal Santa Cruz -- do the same?

Carmel's Muni Code, Animal Regulations
http://www.codepublishing.com/CA/carmel.html

City of Carmel - Forest & Beach Commission
http://ci.carmel.ca.us/carmel/index.cfm/government/boards-commissions/forest-beach-commission/

Golden Gate National Recreation Area - Dog Management (San Francisco)
http://www.nps.gov/goga/parkmgmt/dog-management.htm

Monterey Peninsula Regional Park District | Garland Ranch Regional Park Rules
http://www.mprpd.org/index.cfm/id/20/Garland-Ranch-Regional-Park-Park-Rules/

Point Isabel Off-leash dog rules (Berkeley)
http://www.ebparks.org/parks/pt_isabel

East Bay Regional Park District Dog Regulations
http://www.ebparks.org/activities/dogs

East Bay parks offer plenty of options for canines on move
http://www.contracostatimes.com/bay-area-news/ci_19979059/safe-place-people-and-their-dogs-roam#.Tz1RZo7-jtc.email

Dogs Allowed to Run Free in San Carlos
ttp://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_19889850

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Whitney Wilde

10:10 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Harassment of "any marine mammal, sea turtle, or bird within or above the Sanctuary" is prohibited by United States Code of Federal Regulations, Title 15, Part 92.132

So, I will admit I have some vision problems and the text in that link is a bit smaller than I like (and I am not on my own computer).

Where in Title 15, Part 92.132 does it say wildlife harassment is illegal? I'm not finding harassment. I did see the part that says you cannot take the wildlife.

Peking

1:25 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

I know that there are Humane Societies which advise people who are adopting dogs NOT to take their dogs to dog parks which allow dogs off-leash. Dogs can present health hazards to other dogs. Obeying leash laws is important and owners should realize their responsibilities.

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Whitney Wilde

8:43 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

I realize this is an op ed piece - your opinion. But reliable information would be nice.

If you are going to quote statistics or information, please post links to that information from the actual source that made the claim (not a blog with another personal opinion).

Saying that Humane Societies advise people not to go to dog parks is not reliable information. Saying dogs can present health hazards is your OPINION, not fact, unless there is a veterinarian to back it up.

Which federal regulation says it is illegal to harass shorebirds? Here is a list of the federal regulations and I could not find it. Please tell me which document and what section number.

http://www.fws.gov/permits/ltr/ltr.html

As far as shore birds, do you really think that your walking on the beach, along with kids playing, does not disturb shore birds? Get real. You bother the birds.

Ruhlen, T. D., S. Abbott, L. E. Stenzel, and G.W. Page. 2003. Evidence that human disturbance reduces snowy plover chick survival. Journal of Field Ornithology 74:300-304.

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Michael A. Lewis

8:59 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Careful readers will note that I cited and linked both County and federal regulations relevant to County beaches and leash laws.

The discussion is not about human effects, but dogs running off-leash. Human effects on shorebirds are for another op-ed.

Marion Morris

7:56 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

It's obvious that neither Jean or Michael know very much about our local beaches or dogs other than the existing laws. Most local dogs ignore the shorebirds and many dogs do not fare well in the confined space of a dog park with many other dogs. But I hope you'll both be at the forefront to champion your cause for our sancturay when summer rolls around and the two legged animals bring chaos to the beach with masses amount of litter, human waste, fireworks, and drunken reverie. There are plenty of illegal issues to address there.

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Michael A. Lewis

9:02 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

There are many illegal issues to address in another article. Here, I am discussing the effects of dogs running loose on County beaches.

If "most" local dogs do indeed ignore shorebirds, then some don't. Just as "most" dog owners keep their dogs under control and clean up after them, some don't, hence the leash laws.

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Michael A. Lewis

2:21 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Let's be clear what we're talking about. We're discussing dogs running off leash on Santa Cruz County beaches. Not City of Santa Cruz beaches, or beaches in any other City jurisdiction.

Santa Cruz County ordinance is very clear:

6.12.020 Leash required for dogs off premises.
It is unlawful for the owner of any dog, whether licensed or unlicensed, to permit or allow such dog to be away from the premises of its owner at any time if not under actual physical restraint or control, such as a leash, tether, or in the grasp of a person.

and:

6.12.080 Animal defecation prohibited where.
It is unlawful for the owner of any animal to allow or permit such animal to defecate on any public property or improved private property, other than that of the owner. It is the responsibility of the animal’s owner to properly dispose of any solid waste resulting from an act in violation of this section.

Dogs running loose on County beaches harass shorebirds and wildlife, which is illegal under federal law. Santa Cruz County beaches are part of the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary, a restriction that does not apply to many beaches elsewhere.

Different is not the same.

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Whitney Wilde

9:40 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

So I guess the existing off-leash, unfenced dog parks in this county are illegal?

On the other hand, nowhere does the laws say we can't bring horses, cows, goats, etc to the beach... and I guess they don't need to be leashed either!

JoAnn Gibson

7:35 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

I am aware of the county animal ordinances and I agree with them in that dogs should not be allowed to roam free. These policies, however, are not witten in stone, and could be amended to take off-leash dog areas into consideration.

For example, Carmel's Animal Ordinance (6.08.015 Animals in Residential Districts, which you can read from the Carmel City link I posted earlier) basically states that dogs running at large is unlawful, unless under voice command.

The following beaches are within MBNMS jurisdiction and allow dogs to be off-leash:

Marin (http://www.nps.gov/goga/parkmgmt/pets.htm)
Muir Beach
Rodeo Beach and South Rodeo Beach

San Francisco (http://www.nps.gov/goga/parkmgmt/pets.htm)
Ocean Beach
Baker Beach
Crissy Field Beach
Fort Funston
Fort Miley
Lands End

Carmel City Beach

Again, dogs don't necessarily "harass" birds any more than joggers, walkers, surfers or kids, as long as dogs are not allowed to chase the birds. There could easily be a rule written into the ordinance and posted at the beaches that dogs must not be allowed to chase or harass birds or other wildlife.

It is possible to legally provide off-leash areas on Santa Cruz County beaches.

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Whitney Wilde

9:52 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

The GGNRA (Golden Gate National Recreation Area) has unfenced areas, including beaches, where the law states dogs can be off-leash and under voice control. That is the 1979 Pet Policy.

http://www.eco-dog.org/sites/default/files/1979_GGNRA_Advisory_Commission_Pet_Policy.pdf

Whitney Wilde

10:27 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Fact is that dog owners are taxpayers too - and in Santa Cruz, almost half the tax payers have at least one dog (according to a survey done by SCCAS). We are just asking that some of our tax dollars be used for our recreation.

Local dog owners are not even asking for exclusive use of the beach. Their request was for certain hours in a specific area. We want to SHARE the beach.

Sadly, there are people who don't know how to do that.... share and compromise. Maybe that is something I learned from my dog.

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Michael A. Lewis

8:59 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Thanks to everyone for an excellent discussion about leash laws.

If the County is to amend its leash law to allow off-leash dog parks on County property, they should not be on County beaches, where dogs would harass endangered and threatened wildlife protected in the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary.

There are plenty of inland County Parks with room for fenced areas for off-leash dogs, that already have other facilities, such as playground equipment, picnic benches and other recreational opportunities. Off-leash dog parks would require minimal fencing and patrolling.

This would truly be a compromise that would provide for all users of County parks.

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Steve Premo

9:20 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Michael, you imply that our beaches are home to substantial populations of endangered and threatened species. What species, specifically? If that is true, perhaps some beaches should be closed to all human recreational use, as when people go to the beach, the beach becomes a less desirable habitat for endangered shore birds, whether they bring dogs or not. Diminishing habitat for endangered and threatened species may be a violation of state and federal law, and allowing intense public use of such habitat surely diminishes the amount of habitat for such species.

Perhaps the beaches, if there are any, that are not habitat for endangered species should be the only ones open to the public. And on some of those, off-leash dogs would be great!

Steve Premo

9:23 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

I think it would be really nice if some large outdoor parks, like Pogonip, allowed you to walk dogs off-leash. Dog parks aren't really sufficient to serve that purpose. And it's not just for the dogs; it's also to allow humans to experience the joy of taking your dog for a walk, off-leash, on a trail through the forest. You can do it in National Forests, and I wish there were some areas in the forest around herein which it was legal to walk dogs off-leash.

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Whitney Wilde

9:41 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Steve... Pogonip is lovely, but there is substantial danger to your dog from coyotes there. As much as I love to go off-leash, I do not do it here. Coyotes are smart. They lure a dog using one coyote, while the rest of the pack hides, waiting to attack.

I suggest you take a hike in Byrne Forest... a privately-owned forest that welcomes dogs off-leash. It is in Correlitos, above "Roses of Yesterday and Today." It is a fairly exuberant hike, but has a great view of the whole bay.

http://www.landtrustsantacruz.org/lands/byrne.htm

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Michael A. Lewis

9:44 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

In answer to two posts by Steve Premo:

I've not implied that "beaches are home to substantial populations of endangered and threatened species." (They're not "our" beaches by the way.) All beaches are home to species that are protected in the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary. Harassment of any wildlife in the MBNMS is not allowed. This is sufficient.

Santa Cruz County is not a National Forest. It is an intensely urbanized area, in which almost all natural habitat is paved over. This makes the little remaining natural habitat infinitely more precious and in need of protection from human domination.

Human beings destroy natural habitat at a prodigious pace. Allowing yet more natural habitat to be overrun by human pets results in even more habitat loss to wildlife.

Humans are not the only species on Earth. We just act like it.

Whitney Wilde

9:33 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

All of this leads me to wonder.... why don't you like dogs?

People with dogs live longer, get more exercise, and are less depressed. Pets lower blood pressure, lessen anxiety and boost immunity.

http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/features/health-benefits-of-pets

Or are you one of these people who sees a big difference between cat and dog people?

Personally, I'm a critter person - I love them all and would have a zoo full if I had room. I am so grateful to share my life with the animals I do know. I learn something from them every day. They have such joy in living.

Really, Michael, you are more likely to have me bite you than my dog... and I haven't had my shots.

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Michael A. Lewis

9:51 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Mr Wilde:

I love dogs and all canids. I love to see canids running wild in the wilderness, where they have thousands of acres to live and hunt and multiply and die on their own terms.

I decided ten years ago to live dog free after a lifetime of sharing my life with dogs. I found it disturbing to keep an animal captive in an urban environment where it cannot express its genotype, running free and unfettered. I consciously choose to not keep pets in this environment.

It's bad enough that we destroy the little remaining natural environment available for wildlife. To then keep animals captive in an unnatural environment where they cannot live as they have evolved is abhorrent to me.

I exercise my personal choice to not keep pets, and to relish the knowledge that animals can still live wild in their natural habitat.

Whitney Wilde

10:07 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Oh Michael, you are also wrong about which sex I am.

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Jacob Bourne

11:13 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Michael, it's worth noting that dogs can not "live wild in their natural habitat." The process of canine domestication began thousands of years ago as wolf and man worked symbiotically as hunting partners. These are two creatures that benefit from one another's presence. There's nothing abhorrent about that.

The natural environment of the modern day canine (other than wolves and coyotes) is the human home. To suggest that keeping a dog in captivity is abhorrent is to suggest that dogs should not exist, as they rely on human care. If you're calling for all dog owners to stop acting abhorrently (by way of not owning dogs), where would you like all the dogs to go? They would not all survive in the wild, as that's not their natural habitat.

The fact is that the current living state of dogs is exactly how they have evolved.

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Michael A. Lewis

12:15 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

In my experience, this turns out not to be the case. Dogs have frequently returned to a feral state, sometimes in urban environments. Therefore, Canis familiaris can indeed live wild in a natural habitat. In fact, since Canis lupis and Canis familiaris can interbreed, they are, by biological definition, the same species. Therefore, living in a house in an urban setting is not "the natural environment of the modern day canid."

Domestic dogs have not "evolved" to their modern state. Modern dogs were purposefully bred by humans into their modern variety of phenotypes. This is not evolution by natural selection, this is genetic modification by programmed breeding.

I am not calling for dog owners to stop acting abhorrently. Notice the words I used to explain my personal position on pet "ownership."

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Jacob Bourne

7:20 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

So are you advocating for dogs to return to a feral state in an urban environment? Then we'd really have an issue with dod poop everywhere.

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Michael A. Lewis

8:02 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

No, I am not advocating for dogs to return to a feral state in an urban environment.

Zane Williams

12:27 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

I love humans. I love to see people running wild in the wilderness, where they have thousands of acres to live and hunt and multiply and die on their own terms. Humans have frequently returned to a feral state, sometimes in urban environments. Homo sapiens can indeed live wild in a natural habitat. Therefore, living in a house in an urban setting is not "the natural environment of the modern day human."
Homo sapiens have not "evolved" to their modern state. Modern humans were purposefully bred by reptilians into their modern variety of phenotypes. This is not evolution by natural selection, this is genetic modification by programmed breeding.
It's bad enough that we destroy the little remaining natural environment available for feral humans. To then keep us captive in an unnatural environment where we cannot live as we have evolved is abhorrent to me.

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Steve Premo

8:53 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Michael wrote: "on County beaches, ... dogs would harass endangered and threatened wildlife...."

I responded: "Michael, you imply that our beaches are home to substantial populations of endangered and threatened species. What species, specifically?"

Michael then wrote: "I've not implied that "beaches are home to substantial populations of endangered and threatened species." ... All beaches are home to species that are protected in the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary. Harassment of any wildlife in the MBNMS is not allowed. This is sufficient."

So when challenged to name the endangered and threatened species that would be harassed if dogs were allowed on county beaches, Michael could not name any, and instead changed his position and argued that whether endangered or threatened or plentiful, birds still should not be harassed. I agree, and when I had dogs I did not let them chase birds. Also, when I had small children I did not let them chase birds either. But to me, unless we're talking about species threatened with extinction, it's no reason to keep people from bringing their dogs to the beach.

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Michael A. Lewis

9:08 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Steve, please respond to what I say, not what you would like to hear. Your pejorative remarks do nothing to advance the debate.

Anyone can look up endangered species in the MBNMS in an instant. It's not necessary for me to do it for you. I am talking about federally designated threatened, endangered and sensitive species, protected by federal law in the MBNMS, found on local beaches. You know what this means and you have the means to verify it for yourself.

I'm delighted that your dogs and children were exemplary examples of legal behavior in the past. This is not relevant to the actions of those in the present who do not conduct themselves and their animals in a proper manner. Leash laws exist because of the inconsiderate few, not the thinking, considerate majority.

No one is arguing against people bringing their dogs to the beach. This is a red herring. As you know, I am arguing against allowing dogs to run off-leash on local County beaches.

Whitney Wilde

9:25 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Michael... if you are going to make claims, then YOU have to be the one to back them up. Do not tell Steve to verify your claims. As a writer/journalist, it is your responsibility to show the validity of your claims.

Please post a link to what is endangered/protected on, SPECIFICALLY, Corcoran and Moran beaches.

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Michael A. Lewis

9:58 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Just so everyone is clear, I have never claimed to be a journalist. I am a freelance writer. Journalists are employed by news outlets and work closely with editors to publish their work. I work independently.

Since two readers have expressed an unwillingness to do simple Internet research, I am happy to provide the following information:

There is no list of threatened and endangered species specific to Corcoran and Moran beaches, because there are no species whose range is restricted to these two locations. Furthermore, federal restrictions in the Sanctuary are not limited to threatened or endangered species. To whit:

From the MBNMS seb site http://www.mcbi.org/what/what_pdfs/Monterey_Bay.pdf:

and:

http://montereybay.noaa.gov/reports/1999/eco/Pages/endangered.html

UNITED STATES CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, TITLE 15, PART 922, Section 922.132 Prohibited or otherwise regulated activities
"Except as specified in paragraphs (b) through (e) of this section, the following activities are prohibited and thus are unlawful for any person to conduct or to cause to be conducted:
Taking (harass, hunt, capture, kill, collect or injure, or to attempt to engage in any such conduct) any marine mammal, sea turtle, or bird within or above the Sanctuary,"

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Jacob Bourne

9:28 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

One clarification: Michael contributes to Patch as a blogger, not as a journalist.

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Michael A. Lewis

10:02 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Yes, I contribute regularly to The Santa Cruz Patch blogs, as I contribute regularly to many other blogs. I write and publish my own blogs, as I write and publish my work in many different venues including my own self-published books.

I'm happy to provide this information, even though it has nothing whatsoever to do with the discussion on leash laws.

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